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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:10 pm 
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I'm working up something fictional built from Boneyard parts, basically CH-53E airframe plus A-10 wings grafted together into a "Hind From Hell", and since I'm unable to find any of my references about what each station on a Hog wing can take, I'm hoping somebody can suggest some suitable weapons loads.

I'm thinking a high wing like the Hind, so the inboard pylons with sponsons underneath could be used for single-rail missiles or gun pods. No external jammers required, all those are "inside the skin". Air-to-air, I figure the thing can put out enough EM interference to jam a fighter's controls, but maybe adapt a dual-rail on each outboard station for one each Sidewinder and AMRAAM, and normal mud-moving of Mavericks and rocket pods, but I'm also trying to work up a "Your Ass Is Grass And I'm A Flying Lawnmower" load around a pair each of AGM-84K SLAM-ERs and GPU-5/A Pave Claw 30mm gun pods with several options in-between. (Personally, I'm really big on the LAU-88 triple-rail with three Mavericks racked.)

There's plenty of available power and airframe weight available, as I've written the thing as having been totally rebuild with lighter and stronger materials and new engines that have almost twice the originals' power. (That's the real difference between an -E and a -K's powertrain, and the thing's testing engines for the K.)

Big question, does the Hog have any wing HP's that are stressed for the weight of a 1900-lb. Pave Claw or a 1500-lb. SLAM-ER, and enough of them for a 2-gun+2-SLAM+others load?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:07 am 
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I'm not much of a structural engineer, and I don't play one on TV or Radio, but I was thinking that if they're redesigning with newer and stronger materials, then it doesn't matter what the A-10 was rated for, just do what you want with it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:42 pm 
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Thanks--I'm trying to keep things at least plausible, though the new A-10C composite wing may be able to hoist more than the original -A.

If it'll all fit on clearances, how does a Sidewinder and Slammer on each outboard, then SLAMs, then a triple-rack of Mavericks, with either a pair of Pave Claws or one each Pave Claw and SUU-23 20mm flanking the cabin sound for a "Start Praying, A-Hole" load? And figure on mixed single/triple Mavericks or Mavericks and rocket pods for General Purpose? Heck, would ya believe when I was papering things out, even with two extra HP's I thought the Hog had but it doesn't, I ran out of hardpoints before I ran out of weight allowance?

I really wanna rack up a couple SRAMs or ALCMs, but I doubt it's plausible on even a "Tomorrow's Tech Today" Hog wing, and a helicopter armed with nukes makes about as much sense as racking up free-fall bombs. (Besides, ain't many 1/48 cruise missiles out there.)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:48 pm 
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I'm getting excited just thinking about what this beast would look like. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:19 pm 
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Like I said, a "Hind From Hell." LOL Thanks for the encouragement, guys, even with it meaning a trip back to the Plastic Darkside...

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THE WARTHOG IS MY FAVORITE MODERN BIRD!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:22 pm 
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OK, Possm, can you pitch any leads on here? I'm trying to give the monster Hog firepower on a rotary-wing chassis, and two Pave Claws roughly add up to a GAU-8 with a 75% ammo-load. (Though if I fit a couple M197 turrets on the belly, it may not really need the big pods--that big 30mm is overkill for most covert-ops targets, as much as I luuuurve me some BFG.)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:20 pm 
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If you want real BFG luvvin... twin GAU-8 Avengers in a belly turret. Anybody sees that rotate towards them would not only start prayin, but might even leave a few bricks behind as well. Hmm, just got an idea for a "what if". I already have the AH-56 Cheyenne as a model, maybe some mods are called for. The AH-56X "Super Cheyenne".

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:38 am 
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LOL A moving part the weight of two Caddies could be problematic, though... especially since the drum magazines are as big around as a VW Bug and a Pave Low doesn't have that kinda ground-clearance without fitting them in the hold--which still is needed for cargo. And I gotta figure out what to use for fixed antipersonnel .50's... I'm thinking the onboard AI was taught how to snipe by a retired Marine, and can get headshots from a mile out at full cruise-speed.

Is your Cheyenne paper or plastic? I have an old toy-like 1/72 AH-56 myself. Should be interesting!

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Paper. It's available at Ecardmodels.com

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:47 pm 
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Ooh, nasty with all those compound curves.

Since a standard Cheyenne used a T64 just like the Super Stallion, and part of "Blackout's" supertech is testing the new twice-the-power-in-almost-the-same-space GE38-1B engines for the -K, why not repower your Super Cheyenne with the same engine?

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I was thinking of adding a second engine. Maybe using the new engines, it won't have to worry as much about the Cadillac sized turret.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:27 pm 
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That's still an awful lot of weight shifting around... even if you mount the turret so that its CG and rotational axis align perfectly with each other and the aircraft's. (And there's still the ground clearance issue.) If you mount a Pave Claw on the C/L, that's only four barrels, but it's still the same basic system and fires the same shells, and only weighs one ton.

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